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Arizona House votes to OK guns in bars, restaurants
The Tucson Citizen ^ | April 28, 2004 | NA

Posted on 04/29/2004 7:00:21 PM PDT by neverdem

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:38:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PHOENIX - The House approved a bill Wednesday to make it legal to take guns in bars and restaurants if the bearers aren't drinking alcohol and if the establishments don't opt out. Arizona now bans possession of firearms in bars and restaurants that sell alcohol.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; ccw; guncontrol; gunprohibition; nra; pufflist; secondamendment
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What will their Governor Napolitano(sp?) do?
1 posted on 04/29/2004 7:00:22 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: *bang_list
BANG
2 posted on 04/29/2004 7:01:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem; Pete-R-Bilt
They should research the history of states with shall-issue carry laws that allow permit holders to carry in bars and restaurants. Utah would be one such state.
3 posted on 04/29/2004 7:04:36 PM PDT by glock rocks (Please pray for our patriot armed forces in harm's way - and the families awaiting their safe return)
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To: neverdem
Saw a video recently where a perp opened an entrance door to a bar, which was clearly posted "no guns allowed", and proceeded to shoot people inside, then walk out right thru the posted door.
4 posted on 04/29/2004 7:07:25 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: neverdem
Interesting.... Washington is a shall-issue state that still limits in bars... Not restaurants in general though.

Washington has about as good a set of gun laws as anywhere, with that one exception.... There are bars where I have felt a little vulnerable coming out at night.
5 posted on 04/29/2004 7:12:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: neverdem
One more time: the bad guys don't wait for a permit to carry, they don't care what the bar owner thinks, they will carry and drink liberally.

The good guys (that's everybody else) should have no legal restrictions placed on them which leaves the bad guy armed and the good guys (remember that's everybody else) unarmed.

6 posted on 04/29/2004 7:12:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (LESS government please, NOT more.)
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To: neverdem
She will VETO THE BILL !
7 posted on 04/29/2004 7:20:48 PM PDT by KQQL (@)
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To: neverdem
What will their Governor Napolitano(sp?) do?

What will McPain do??

I think this equates in some circle to you guys declaring war on the U.S. Way to go!!!!

8 posted on 04/29/2004 7:23:08 PM PDT by lizma
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To: neverdem
Another reason to seek employment in Arizona I think.
9 posted on 04/29/2004 7:24:11 PM PDT by Wneighbor (Texas. Land of opportunity! No restrictor plates here!)
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To: lizma
Maybe I'm slow tonight, but what the heck are you talking about?
10 posted on 04/29/2004 7:32:56 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Pat Tillman took a bullet for me and mine. RIP Ranger Tillman.)
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To: neverdem
The catch-22 is that if you actually shoot somebody, you'll be arrested for breaking the laws against smoking in a restaurant or bar.
11 posted on 04/29/2004 7:36:26 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: neverdem
Arizona now bans possession of firearms in bars and restaurants that sell alcohol.

I wonder how long that has been in effect. Growing up and later working in Superior, I noticed that people commonly took weapons into bars and restaurants to show them off to friends and, occasionally, to eliminate rivals for lady's affections. Myself, I most recall sitting in the Triple X bar when an Apache lady who had been arguing with her husband left the bar and returned with an axe. She took a couple of good licks at him (missing) and chased her hubby out the side door. He was apparently able to hide as I saw him at work the next swing shift.

Ever since that day, I have strongly supported the banning of assult axes.

12 posted on 04/29/2004 7:38:15 PM PDT by JimSEA ( "More Bush, Less Taxes.")
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To: neverdem
Now the 'designated driver' gets to be the 'designated shooter' as well.

So9

13 posted on 04/29/2004 7:44:59 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: neverdem
What are the restaurant people whining about? This is the best possible law. It leaves the decision entirely in the hands of the property owner, where it belongs. No mandate to prohibit guns, no mandate to allow them. Makes perfect sense, so it'll probably never see the light of day.
14 posted on 04/29/2004 7:52:29 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: Still Thinking
Now if they would just apply the same common sense approach to smoking.
15 posted on 04/29/2004 7:53:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: neverdem
As long as they aren't drinking, I have no problem with this.
16 posted on 04/29/2004 7:55:26 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("The bigger they are, the harder they fall" - John L Sullivan)
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To: Servant of the 9
*L* ... that was bad
17 posted on 04/29/2004 7:58:01 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: neverdem
Muff dive(diva)!
18 posted on 04/29/2004 8:06:15 PM PDT by RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS
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To: Still Thinking
What are the restaurant people whining about? This is the best possible law. It leaves the decision entirely in the hands of the property owner, where it belongs. No mandate to prohibit guns, no mandate to allow them.

That's the problem--the restaurant is going to piss off customers either way. If the gub'mint just passed a law one way or the other the restaurant could just fall back on the excuse that "it's the law". Now they have to make a decision and are going to get flack for it from some of their customers either way. It's a lose-lose proposition for them.

19 posted on 04/29/2004 8:12:47 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: neverdem
Florida did this about 15 years ago. It was a bad idea...
20 posted on 04/29/2004 8:13:31 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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